1 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:12,980 [Music] 2 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:14,190 thank you very much for this 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:16,800 introduction so now you are already 4 00:00:20,510 --> 00:00:18,690 aware that I'm going to talk about bits 5 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:20,520 of paleontology which may sound a bit 6 00:00:25,189 --> 00:00:23,369 weird for astrobiological science but 7 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:25,199 I'm going to show you a bit of how we 8 00:00:29,540 --> 00:00:27,390 can use some new physical approaches to 9 00:00:33,770 --> 00:00:29,550 to understand these structures that we 10 00:00:36,190 --> 00:00:33,780 call micro fossils so micro fossils are 11 00:00:38,319 --> 00:00:36,200 very interesting for the proposals of 12 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:38,329 astrobiology because they are 13 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:40,170 morphological signatures of 14 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:41,879 microorganisms that were preserved in 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:44,670 the geological record and they are the 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:47,610 earliest direct evidence of life that we 17 00:00:56,060 --> 00:00:51,770 have on earth and this we don't have 18 00:00:57,650 --> 00:00:56,070 nowadays rocks from the idæan but we do 19 00:01:00,740 --> 00:00:57,660 have well preserved with rocks from the 20 00:01:02,299 --> 00:01:00,750 arcane and studies these structures 21 00:01:04,490 --> 00:01:02,309 preserving these rocks give us also eye 22 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:04,500 insight into the pallium governmental 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:07,710 context bringing us a bit closer to to 24 00:01:14,020 --> 00:01:10,770 the first organisms and how this these 25 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:14,030 artists were able to to to live in this 26 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:17,040 ambient that was very different to what 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:20,040 we know today and it's also interesting 28 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:21,930 because we all have an insight of the 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:24,000 early life the diversity and evolution 30 00:01:35,210 --> 00:01:29,130 and how life already was able to to to 31 00:01:37,940 --> 00:01:35,220 be in the Archaean so microprocessors 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:37,950 are really interesting so we can we know 33 00:01:43,639 --> 00:01:40,170 that in Mars in the path of Mars we have 34 00:01:46,010 --> 00:01:43,649 a stable condition so we may have traces 35 00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:46,020 of life there so let's go look for them 36 00:01:51,139 --> 00:01:48,060 and this is one of the aims of NASA and 37 00:01:52,730 --> 00:01:51,149 easie for the next years but if you 38 00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:52,740 wants to look for life in Mars we need 39 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:55,470 also to think so how we identify these 40 00:02:01,190 --> 00:01:58,380 churches so how these structures that we 41 00:02:03,260 --> 00:02:01,200 know earth look like and this especially 42 00:02:07,249 --> 00:02:03,270 if we're talking this about this really 43 00:02:09,889 --> 00:02:07,259 first micro fossils we have actually not 44 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:09,899 a quite answer because every year I have 45 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:14,010 new studies coming and quite it's a 46 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:15,870 quite big descriptions of which are the 47 00:02:21,949 --> 00:02:17,760 earliest evidence of life of 48 00:02:23,539 --> 00:02:21,959 microfossils on earth and we have every 49 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:23,549 year new studies claiming that they 50 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:25,500 found the earliest micro fossils on 51 00:02:31,490 --> 00:02:29,030 earth and you feel a big discussions and 52 00:02:33,140 --> 00:02:31,500 one of the reasons of this is that 53 00:02:36,259 --> 00:02:33,150 actually micro fossils are quite 54 00:02:38,570 --> 00:02:36,269 challenging structures to study first 55 00:02:41,059 --> 00:02:38,580 reason is because they are micro metric 56 00:02:42,770 --> 00:02:41,069 size structures which means that for for 57 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:42,780 analyzing them we require nanometric 58 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:46,500 resolution they are organisms that are 59 00:02:51,410 --> 00:02:49,290 now rocks so they have an homogeneous 60 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:51,420 density and this is an important thing 61 00:02:56,690 --> 00:02:54,030 because most of imaging techniques are 62 00:02:58,490 --> 00:02:56,700 based in the absorption and absorption 63 00:03:01,729 --> 00:02:58,500 is directly related to the density of 64 00:03:03,949 --> 00:03:01,739 the material and we cannot forget that 65 00:03:05,780 --> 00:03:03,959 this rocks best to billions of years of 66 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:05,790 geological processing which means that 67 00:03:09,710 --> 00:03:07,920 first they are rare we don't have that 68 00:03:13,789 --> 00:03:09,720 many places on earth that we can find 69 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:13,799 the really Archaean well-preserved rocks 70 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:16,890 and one important thing is if we are 71 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:18,810 going to talk about if these structures 72 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:20,910 are really biogenic how we prove that 73 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:22,590 what we find in the geological record 74 00:03:27,379 --> 00:03:24,630 are really remains of life and this is a 75 00:03:29,569 --> 00:03:27,389 very tricky question because we have a 76 00:03:32,839 --> 00:03:29,579 lot of structures that look like life 77 00:03:34,970 --> 00:03:32,849 but they are actually not a biotic 78 00:03:38,629 --> 00:03:34,980 informant so we have some examples here 79 00:03:41,659 --> 00:03:38,639 some some silica dialers and we have a 80 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:41,669 very famous example of this Allen Hughes 81 00:03:47,629 --> 00:03:43,590 meteorite that they found the structures 82 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:47,639 that look a lot like life bringing this 83 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:49,889 idea of how can we prove what what we 84 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:53,970 find is really life so the objective of 85 00:03:57,319 --> 00:03:55,650 my project is to try some new 86 00:04:01,250 --> 00:03:57,329 high-resolution imaging techniques 87 00:04:04,220 --> 00:04:01,260 looking for water structure of this 88 00:04:06,289 --> 00:04:04,230 strip of this of what we find in the 89 00:04:08,059 --> 00:04:06,299 geological record and looking for 90 00:04:11,449 --> 00:04:08,069 contributing about this by using the 91 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:11,459 secretary to identify them so first 92 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:15,449 technique the already introduced also 93 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:18,209 called scanning laser confocal laser 94 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:20,130 scanning microscopy we took some 95 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:23,490 Brazilian micro fossils from 219 million 96 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:26,580 years old we put them in this microscope 97 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:27,330 we 98 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:29,970 Karajan that is the graduated organic 99 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:32,280 matter they it has autofluorescence 100 00:04:37,339 --> 00:04:34,590 property which means that we can image 101 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:37,349 the the organic matter and see them in 102 00:04:43,939 --> 00:04:40,650 3d and we can have images of the the 103 00:04:46,850 --> 00:04:43,949 preserve of the karagin in microfossils 104 00:04:48,890 --> 00:04:46,860 we can do this for cyanobacteria we also 105 00:04:50,689 --> 00:04:48,900 did these to some pollen grains and 106 00:04:54,140 --> 00:04:50,699 pollens are much more resistant 107 00:04:55,790 --> 00:04:54,150 structures which which was interesting 108 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:55,800 because we saw that actually we had 109 00:04:59,839 --> 00:04:57,930 different fluorescence wavelengths and 110 00:05:01,760 --> 00:04:59,849 this means that actually you have more 111 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:01,770 than one type of organic matter here and 112 00:05:06,020 --> 00:05:04,409 this indicates that we may have a 113 00:05:08,420 --> 00:05:06,030 different level of geochemical 114 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:08,430 maturation of this organic matter or 115 00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:11,490 also that we have different types of 116 00:05:16,909 --> 00:05:14,190 couraging indicating probably different 117 00:05:20,499 --> 00:05:16,919 biological compounds that that evoluted 118 00:05:23,149 --> 00:05:20,509 different during the geological system 119 00:05:26,089 --> 00:05:23,159 another thing we did we took pieces of 120 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:26,099 rocks we we decide to do micro 121 00:05:30,709 --> 00:05:29,430 tomography we took them to the micro two 122 00:05:32,779 --> 00:05:30,719 models of the line of the Brazilian 123 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:32,789 synchrotron so these are the only pieces 124 00:05:38,930 --> 00:05:36,960 of rocks we scan them and these are the 125 00:05:40,909 --> 00:05:38,940 pollen grains I just show you we could 126 00:05:42,939 --> 00:05:40,919 identify them inside as pieces of rocks 127 00:05:45,309 --> 00:05:42,949 because they have this Mickey Mouse 128 00:05:48,860 --> 00:05:45,319 morphology quite easy funded to 129 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:48,870 recognize and we was interesting because 130 00:05:51,980 --> 00:05:50,550 this approach is totally non-destructive 131 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:51,990 we just took a piece of rock we put 132 00:05:55,339 --> 00:05:53,460 there and managed to identify the 133 00:05:57,559 --> 00:05:55,349 structures but falling Ray's they are 134 00:06:01,519 --> 00:05:57,569 quite big if we are talking about micro 135 00:06:05,119 --> 00:06:01,529 posting they have more than 15 nano 136 00:06:07,749 --> 00:06:05,129 micro meters which is big for all for 137 00:06:11,180 --> 00:06:07,759 really microorganisms when we look for 138 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:11,190 smaller structures we can see some some 139 00:06:16,459 --> 00:06:13,860 structures with this micro CT but they 140 00:06:18,019 --> 00:06:16,469 are not so easy to recognize and to 141 00:06:21,589 --> 00:06:18,029 understand if they are really forces or 142 00:06:23,659 --> 00:06:21,599 not and the reasons are the same way I 143 00:06:25,159 --> 00:06:23,669 just said they are we are talking about 144 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:25,169 absorption techniques so they are 145 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:27,330 homogeneous base and we are talking 146 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:29,310 about the micro CT we are not achieving 147 00:06:35,629 --> 00:06:33,449 nanometric resolution so just a basic 148 00:06:38,429 --> 00:06:35,639 idea when we are talking about x-ray 149 00:06:41,070 --> 00:06:38,439 imaging we have an object and when we 150 00:06:43,049 --> 00:06:41,080 put them under the x-rays they absorb 151 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:43,059 x-rays in the absorption of x-ray that 152 00:06:47,729 --> 00:06:44,830 the set is directly related to density 153 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:47,739 so this is the reason that if we put our 154 00:06:52,889 --> 00:06:50,800 hand in the x-rays we will see the high 155 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:52,899 density compounds but we are not really 156 00:06:58,079 --> 00:06:55,300 be able to distinguish the soft tissues 157 00:07:01,079 --> 00:06:58,089 the flesh and so on and if we're talking 158 00:07:03,239 --> 00:07:01,089 about a fossil we I we did this pretty 159 00:07:06,659 --> 00:07:03,249 in previous work we put a photo finish 160 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:06,669 in inner-city scan of hospital and we 161 00:07:13,739 --> 00:07:09,550 could see some structures but not that 162 00:07:16,379 --> 00:07:13,749 many information so this is why I'm 163 00:07:17,939 --> 00:07:16,389 talking about absorption city but it's 164 00:07:21,059 --> 00:07:17,949 the same city that we do when we go to a 165 00:07:22,589 --> 00:07:21,069 hospital to do an exam but absorption is 166 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:22,599 not the only thing happening when you 167 00:07:26,549 --> 00:07:24,550 have the x-rays interacting with with 168 00:07:30,389 --> 00:07:26,559 your object a lot of different things 169 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:30,399 happen and the object has actually index 170 00:07:36,239 --> 00:07:32,649 of refraction that is complex in their 171 00:07:38,159 --> 00:07:36,249 index of refraction so this part is here 172 00:07:40,259 --> 00:07:38,169 is related to the absorption as I said 173 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:40,269 but we also have this other part here 174 00:07:43,559 --> 00:07:41,649 that is actually related to another 175 00:07:46,529 --> 00:07:43,569 physical phenomena that is reflection 176 00:07:48,419 --> 00:07:46,539 refraction is also going on here so we 177 00:07:51,419 --> 00:07:48,429 may be able to explore this thing for 178 00:07:55,889 --> 00:07:51,429 seeing more information so if you have 179 00:07:58,109 --> 00:07:55,899 choo-choo x-ray waves coming they are in 180 00:08:02,639 --> 00:07:58,119 phase which means they have the both 181 00:08:04,529 --> 00:08:02,649 highs and lows together one will pass 182 00:08:06,209 --> 00:08:04,539 through your object it will be slowed 183 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:06,219 down when passing to the object and when 184 00:08:10,949 --> 00:08:08,769 it's exit exit the object we they will 185 00:08:14,189 --> 00:08:10,959 not be any more in phase will have this 186 00:08:17,579 --> 00:08:14,199 phase change now and we can explore this 187 00:08:19,379 --> 00:08:17,589 to see if it as a contrast for the 188 00:08:21,749 --> 00:08:19,389 imaging in this take this type of 189 00:08:24,239 --> 00:08:21,759 approach is called phase contrast so 190 00:08:25,949 --> 00:08:24,249 coming back again to our fish we had 191 00:08:27,929 --> 00:08:25,959 this image with absorption city we took 192 00:08:30,149 --> 00:08:27,939 the same fish we did face contrast CT 193 00:08:31,859 --> 00:08:30,159 and now I have this image now we can see 194 00:08:35,029 --> 00:08:31,869 much more in from more more structures 195 00:08:37,379 --> 00:08:35,039 we can see a lot of different things and 196 00:08:40,469 --> 00:08:37,389 if you look to the stomach of this fish 197 00:08:42,329 --> 00:08:40,479 we can find this kind of last meal and 198 00:08:45,689 --> 00:08:42,339 if you cannot identify what it is I'll 199 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:45,699 give you a clue and we did see this kind 200 00:08:49,889 --> 00:08:47,649 this is to show you how much more 201 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:49,899 sensitive these phase countries are for 202 00:08:54,420 --> 00:08:52,150 forces so 203 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:54,430 is really good for our micro sources 204 00:08:59,460 --> 00:08:55,930 right so let's try to expert 205 00:09:01,290 --> 00:08:59,470 phase-contrast in microphones so we did 206 00:09:03,090 --> 00:09:01,300 this and this technique we applied is 207 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:03,100 called take over see we joined a 208 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:04,690 congress abuse tomography so we did a 209 00:09:09,890 --> 00:09:07,330 phase contrast nano democracy using 210 00:09:12,990 --> 00:09:09,900 typography we put some micro process 211 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:13,000 from Precambrian so we have this iron 212 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:17,170 oxide preserved filaments of microbes we 213 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:20,050 took them to the synchrotron source we 214 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:21,970 use the six facts big line of the street 215 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:24,760 light source and I will show you what we 216 00:09:30,990 --> 00:09:27,910 get with this technique so first thing 217 00:09:33,510 --> 00:09:31,000 that is very good we achieve the 52 218 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:33,520 nanometer resolution which is great much 219 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:37,050 higher than we could get with any other 220 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:41,290 x-ray imaging so far we also have now 221 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:43,270 the pixel intensity that is related to 222 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:45,130 electron density because if the electron 223 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:47,170 density of the compounds that gives the 224 00:09:52,890 --> 00:09:51,010 phase changes so we can extract the 225 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:52,900 electron density which give us the best 226 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:55,000 thing so we have also our information 227 00:09:59,670 --> 00:09:56,740 about what are these materials inside 228 00:10:02,400 --> 00:09:59,680 the fossils so we could identify clearly 229 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:02,410 four different compounds in these micro 230 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:04,510 fossils we have seen here the Sinica 231 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:08,140 matrix we have these more wide 232 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:09,820 structures that are more advanced they 233 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:14,290 are the iron oxides that we already 234 00:10:18,690 --> 00:10:16,390 could see in red in the optical 235 00:10:21,150 --> 00:10:18,700 microscope and we have now the silica 236 00:10:22,980 --> 00:10:21,160 mixtures with the organic matter and you 237 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:22,990 have also some really really low density 238 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:24,550 structures that may have may be the 239 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:28,210 degradation components the degradation 240 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:30,370 cell membranes and septa that we had in 241 00:10:34,380 --> 00:10:32,350 the filament so just a little video to 242 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:34,390 show you how it looks so we have here 243 00:10:38,910 --> 00:10:36,100 the the pillar of rock we have the 244 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:38,920 filaments inside passing through it so 245 00:10:41,940 --> 00:10:40,300 we can see the the low density 246 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:41,950 structures that I will mark here in blue 247 00:10:46,260 --> 00:10:43,900 we can see the body of the of the 248 00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:46,270 phosphor determine Green and I'm outside 249 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:47,950 in orange and now we can have a 3d 250 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:50,590 imaging knowing not only the 251 00:10:55,650 --> 00:10:52,720 morphological but also the the chemical 252 00:10:59,040 --> 00:10:55,660 information of this puzzle so we had 253 00:11:00,450 --> 00:10:59,050 before this image using visible light 254 00:11:02,250 --> 00:11:00,460 microscope and now we have this image 255 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:02,260 much more information is the same 256 00:11:05,820 --> 00:11:04,720 structure and now we can see some 257 00:11:09,450 --> 00:11:05,830 features that we couldn't see 258 00:11:11,130 --> 00:11:09,460 for and we can even find a compound 259 00:11:17,130 --> 00:11:11,140 which can also help us to understand the 260 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:17,140 cessation processes so conclusions using 261 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:19,240 this different physical phenomena are 262 00:11:24,330 --> 00:11:22,240 allowing is allowing us to retrieve 263 00:11:27,870 --> 00:11:24,340 novel chemical and morphological 264 00:11:29,370 --> 00:11:27,880 information of microfossils the electron 265 00:11:31,290 --> 00:11:29,380 density contrasts with we can achieve 266 00:11:32,970 --> 00:11:31,300 this I cover fee associated with the 267 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:32,980 nanometric resolution that we can also 268 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:36,130 have with technique is able to give us 269 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:38,230 some new insights into the most a lot 270 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:40,750 more logical aspects and now we are able 271 00:11:45,650 --> 00:11:43,570 to start revisiting the biogenic 272 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:45,660 secretaire that we design with the lower 273 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:49,120 resolution imaging another very 274 00:11:52,260 --> 00:11:50,530 important thing is that we are talking 275 00:11:55,650 --> 00:11:52,270 about techniques that have little or no 276 00:11:57,540 --> 00:11:55,660 simple laws which is very important if 277 00:12:01,590 --> 00:11:57,550 we think now about bringing sample for 278 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:01,600 Mars and we are proposing new approaches 279 00:12:06,060 --> 00:12:03,940 now for studying the the samples that 280 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:06,070 will bring it in the near future for 281 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:09,220 months so that's what we're doing 282 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:11,710 thank you very much living with a little 283 00:12:15,810 --> 00:12:13,570 video of the new synchrotron that we are 284 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:15,820 building in Brazil so will be open for 285 00:12:21,270 --> 00:12:18,220 your users soon so I hope some of you 286 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:21,280 can go and use and Singleton's are open 287 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:23,770 for the community so hope to see some of 288 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:33,370 you so that's it thank you thank you 289 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:35,320 very much large we have any questions 290 00:12:46,970 --> 00:12:43,210 I thought your talk was incredible great 291 00:12:50,130 --> 00:12:46,980 so I a question regarding the 292 00:12:53,010 --> 00:12:50,140 fossilization process have you maybe 293 00:12:57,060 --> 00:12:53,020 move this step further to build models 294 00:12:59,760 --> 00:12:57,070 for diagenesis we didn't but it's a 295 00:13:02,460 --> 00:12:59,770 possibility we don't have some studies 296 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:02,470 that do in situ fossilization and one 297 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:04,530 interesting thing would be really 298 00:13:08,430 --> 00:13:06,880 simulating this and you can measure in 299 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:08,440 different times and seeing what happened 300 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:10,210 because actually the preservation of 301 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:12,550 this microarray music is is not to be 302 00:13:18,350 --> 00:13:16,240 quite fast doing silica criminalization 303 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:18,360 so we still did 304 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:19,950 but it's it's it's sure that it's 305 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:23,160 possible so it's an interesting idea 306 00:13:43,810 --> 00:13:28,230 maybe for the future any further 307 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:46,940 now this is a limitation of certain 308 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:48,570 techniques because we cannot have 309 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:53,130 portable synchrotrons so it's true we 310 00:14:00,560 --> 00:13:55,380 can we have other techniques aiming to 311 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:00,570 find this stroke your signatures outside 312 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:03,450 but they are limited compared to this 313 00:14:09,889 --> 00:14:07,769 one so we can have some clues but to 314 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:09,899 have a really deep study we will really 315 00:14:19,730 --> 00:14:11,370 need to be simple so this is the biggest 316 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:19,740 limitation for for looking for life any 317 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:23,370 further questions okay thank you so much